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Honda brake check
My Yamaha QT50 runs strange. It pulls away OK, gets to 25mph and starts to four-stroke. If I ease off the gas a bit, it runs OK again. I’ve stripped and cleaned all the carb jets etc, set needle on all four grooves (finding the top groove the best), fitted inline filter, decoked top end plus exhaust, set the mixture, but it’s still the same.
Rob
Firstly, I have to admit that I’m not fully up to speed on the Yamaha QT, as there are so few of them left around they’re not an everyday visitor to the workshop.
The biggest clue you have given is that it runs best on the top groove on the needle. This would indicate that the bike is running too rich and by lowering the needle you are leaning off the mixture, but not quite enough. Given the tasks you’ve already carried out, I would be looking for two or three things, Check the fuel float level height; if too high, it can give a rich mixture. Check the condition of the float needle valve. Thirdly, remove the throttle slide and needle and peer down into the atomiser tube. These are brass items that with vibration and prolonged use, can become oval allowing over fuelling.
The fault could probably be masked by the fitting of a smaller main jet to compensate for wear in the atomiser tube of the carburettor. While not a long term fix, it will give you a good indication of where the fault lies.
Hot Runner
I’d like to fit heated grips to my Runner VXR 200 but am wondering if they will be more trouble than they are worth. Will they keep draining the battery? Where is the best place to take the live feed from?
Nick Hod
This is quite a popular seasonal modification, the first thing to consider is the manufacturer of the grips, you get what you pay for. Cheaper grips will indeed kill off your battery if left on in a momentary lapse of concentration. Higher end grips are protected and will cut out should the supply voltage drop below 12v. So even if you do forget to switch them off they will allow you 12 volts to start the bike when you next fire it up.
If you’re going to fit them yourself, it’s worth using a 30amp relay to switch the grips on and off when the ignition is powered on. This way, when you turn off the ignition, the power supply to the grips is cut. With high amps consumption products like heated grips, I would always take my live feed direct from the battery. Taking a feed direct from the loom could end in a melted wire should you choose a circuit not up to the job.
I’ve got wind
I’m purchasing a new scooter and would like a standard screen fitted. Would this increase wind resistance, or reduce it? Also, would a screen affect the mpg?
William Long
Normally a screen would reduce wind resistance and improve fuel efficiency. This obviously depends on a mass of factors (mainly the size and efficiency of the screen you are fitting). However, if you’re fitting a large grandad screen with the aerodynamics of a breezeblock, you are going to be bucking the trend a little. A normal sports screen will deflect the air over the large non-aerodynamic lump usually referred to as the rider, making things more comfortable, improving top speed a little and returning a small increase in fuel efficiency.
PREVIOUS MONTHS...
Oil conflicts
This is my first contact with Twist & Go, although I’ve been reading it for some time now; I thought Workshop could perhaps answer my question. I have a Piaggio X9 250. The owners manual says that to check the engine oil, one should place the bike on its sidestand; the main agent says it should be done on its centrestand. As there’s quite a difference in the quantity, it could be important.
Avid reader, Nepalstar
You are correct in what you state. Oil level is very important. Sometimes however, things do get lost in translation and it seems as if this case is no different. I have checked the Piaggio Online owner’s manual and the following instructions are given: Every time the vehicle is used, visually inspect the level of the engine oil when the engine is cold (after completely unscrewing the oil cap/dipstick). The oil level should be somewhere between the MAX and MIN index marks on the level rod. During the oil check, the vehicle must be resting on its centrestand, on an even, horizontal surface. If the check is carried out after the vehicle has been used (and therefore with a hot engine), the level line will be lower. In order to carry out a correct check, wait at least 10 minutes after the engine has been stopped, so as to get the correct level.
Given the above instructions, I would suggest that you have an early owner’s manual that has now been replaced with an updated manual containing the correct information. On a plus note, common sense prevailed and your main agent provided you with the correct information.
Stubborn brake
The front brake on my Honda CLR 125 sticks on. It pumps itself up so that the pads are locked on the disc and you can’t move the lever. Sometimes it goes back to normal if I leave it, but not for long. It has just done it again, but the bleed nipple is rounded off, so I had no choice but to loosen the banjo and let some fluid out. After this it was OK for a bit, but then does it again. The weird thing is that I don’t have to pump the brake for it to do this. It happens even when I just leave it over night.
It’s been doing this since I had to push the pads back and I stupidly pulled the lever when the wheel was off. Have I got some air trapped in there, or could it be something else?
Blata39
This can usually only happen with a non-recuperating master cylinder. However as this is a brake issue, I would suggest the first point of call be a Honda dealer. I’m afraid I cannot – and would not – advise on how to fix brakes on a bike that I could not physically inspect.
Belt busting
I have recently been having problems with the belt on my Speedfight 50. Originally the scooter would rev and not go anywhere; a friend helped diagnose the problem and as I live in a small village, the local car mechanic said he could fix it for me. A new belt was fitted but the scooter never felt the same and has since snapped two more belts in the space of three weeks. Could this be down to the mechanic fitting the belt wrongly, or is there an underlying problem???
Frank Staniford
It’s always better to replace a belt at the specified service interval, rather than when it has snapped. When the belt snaps, all sorts of damage can be done. I would hazard a guess that your mechanic has fitted the belt correctly in the direction of rotation and re-tightened the pulley bolts sufficiently to stop these coming loose. I would suggest that you are suffering from the dreaded Peugeot torque driver failure (the torque driver on the bike you have, has been known for the welds to break, causing the rear pulleys to operate incorrectly and put increased wear on the belt causing very premature failure).
I would suggest that you take the bike to someone who has experience with scooter transmissions, as they would have spotted
this fault on installation of the new belt first time around.
Now the bad news is that the part you require is not available to buy separately – you will need to buy a complete rear pulley/clutch assembly and these do not come cheap. However, as the bike is a popular model, the breakers yards are full of them, so sourcing a quality used one should be simple.
Off for a spin
I have an 07 Runner 200. When starting from cold it spins over for sometime before firing. It’s almost like it has to drag the fuel up. When it starts it won’t idle for a few minutes either; you have to hold the throttle for a while and warm it up a bit before riding off. It’s fine after that. The bike has stood unused for a good few months, but despite a 70mph, 70 mile motorway ride, it hasn't cleared it at all. Any ideas what the cause of this is or what to start checking?
Taipan
The cause sounds to be coming from the cold start device; the auto choke is supplied with voltage when the bike is running and slowly closes off a port in the carburettor. My guess would be a gummed-up carb due to the bike standing idle for a good few months and that has caused the plunger to become seized within its bore due to the stale fuel situation.
A carburettor strip would be my first task. Buy a good quality carb and fuel system cleaner and soak the metal parts in it, allowing it time to get into the galleries. Blow through all the drillings with compressed air, reassemble and give it a try.
Thirsty Hexagon
I've got a 1995 Hexagon 125, coming up to
9000 miles. I've set the rear spring to max
compression for my 13 stone, but my problem
seems to be mpg. I believe it's the same engine
as the Runner two-stroke? My riding is mainly
urban (around Exeter and district), so quite a
bit of stop-start. I’m aware of how fuel-sapping
full throttle acceleration is to mpg, but have
previously eked 173mpg out of a Yamaha T80
Townmate, so I do know how to ride. I’ve also
passed the IAM motorcycle test and have
owned 59 bikes and scooters.
Fuel consumption is between 34.9 and
46mpg, so not a particularly economical
scooter at present. I have owned Burgmans,
Majestys and a 180 Runner FXR; all were more
economical. My 2.0HDi Citroen does 46-51mpg
(but isn't fun like the scooter)! How does this
compare with the model range, and or your
own experience?
Piaggio_Hexagon_125
To be honest it can’t compare with any model
currently in production; it’s a 14-year-old
scooter that was made well before euro
regulations insisted on clean and very
efficient motors. Two-stroke 125s are pretty
much finished now with the introduction of
euro 3 regulations and four-stroke is seen as
the way forward.
I suppose the way to tell if yours is using
more fuel than it should is to have it
checked over to ensure it isn’t running rich
due to a clogged air filter or that the choke
stuck on, etc. If you know the bike is
running as intended on and the mpg is still
the same, the conclusion must be made
that it isn’t a particularly economical
scooter, Hence the reason it has been killed
off due to emissions.
No spark
I recently acquired a pre Leader ET4, 1997, which needed clutch repairs. That’s all done now, but it’s not sparking at all. It has been stored for six-eight months. Any common issues causing it not to spark? Will be checking all connections for corrosion, but I wonder if it’s the immobiliser? Is there a way to bypass this?
Scootliferob
Hmm interesting. It could be your immobiliser. This should be diagnosable through the blinking red LED on the dash (if fitted). With the normal everyday key it should just flash the once, enabling start up.
If the master key is used it will flash once slow, then quicker flashes to indicate the number of keys stored on the CDI. If you don’t have an LED on your dash, there will be a two-pin connector under your seat-tub towards the front of your engine compartment.
A 12v LED can be put across these terminals to gain a flash code for fault finding. The none-Leader motor is switched off by earthing the green wire from the CDI to earth at the ignition switch. This green wire has been known to short to earth under the footboards, especially on older vehicles and would be well worth a check with a multimeter.
If the above checks out, you should then be looking at the stator values, pick-up (trigger) resistance and CDI. Currently there’s no way to bypass the original immobiliser. We believe a non-immobilised CDI is in production and should be available shortly – at a price.
Where’s the battery?
My Honda Dylan battery has died onmeafter I left the ignition on too long. I’ll get a charger later, but wondered where the battery is?
oOSourceOo
This is one recurring question that we always get asked and confused us the first time we came across it. You’ll need to remove the seat and its base (four bolts in total from memory). Once the seat base is removed, to the front of the seat there’s a black plastic cover and the battery is hidden away in there. It would be a good idea to invest in a motorcycle battery charger that’s supplied with leads that can be left connected to the battery so you no longer need to go through the above exercise to charge your battery.
Sick Latin lovely
My Gilera Runner has been back on the road a few weeks and has got slower pulling away. Going home in the rain and wind last night I had to stop on two occasions and then I had problems starting it again. I also thought I could hear a weird noise that would go when I got over 30mph; the noise sounded like rubbing/wearing in the engine.
I filled up with petrol and went to start this bike this morning and drained the battery. I even tried jump-starting it, but it won’t go (it recently suffered a heat seize, which has been sorted). Any ideas would be grateful?
Mark Gulliver
This sounds like a variety of problems all happening at the same time. The strange noise that disappears above 30mph is most likely something awry in the variator and belt area, while the poor starting is linked directly to the carburation and ignition side of things. I would get a general health check on the scoot, covering things like the state
of battery, carburettor set up (including the auto choke) compression levels, drive belt and rollers. Poor starting
in the wet is often the fault of the spark plug cap and HT lead, so try cleaning them off to get rid of the road salt and using a waterproofing spray to keep it dry.
Greece is the word
I’ve owned a 2002 two-stroke Honda Pantheon 125 from new and it has always been a slow starter from cold. It fires instantly and dies; nothing keeps it going. Then I have to turn the starter to crank the engine for about 40 seconds and it limps into life – a fair amount of smoke is then evident for a while. It runs fine and will then start instantly all day long till next morning, when the same thing happens. Fuel usage is good, oil usage minimal, but a slight leak is evident from the oil tank. The dealer has never fixed this, but I would love to cure it, as in all other ways it's OK. Seems to me as though the oil is maybe draining into the cylinder overnight? Any help much appreciated.
Rod Sutton
Greece
This sounds like the auto choke mechanism isn’t working correctly as in all other areas the bike is running well. There will be no option but to replace the choke unit as a whole, as there are no serviceable parts to adjust or repair. As for the oil leak, this can only be a leaking pipe or the union where it attaches to the tank. Often, taking the pipe off this connection and giving it a good clean up before re-attaching it will cure the seepage.
Picasso on two wheels
Coming back to two wheels after some 25 years away from it, I have been intrigued by the decoration
of some of the featured scooters in Twist & Go. As I'm a bit of an amateur artist (watercolours), I
thought it a challenge to tackle the panels of my newly acquired Piaggio X8 – something to do over
the winter months – and to show how to grow old disgracefully (I'm 65!).
My questions are...
■ How do I prepare the panels for painting?
■ What type of paint is suitable, and sources for buying?
■ What is the best application of paint... brush, airbrush, aerosol?
■ Is the use of transfers a viable option – and sources for purchase?
■ What protective finish is required for road use?
■ Does the DVLA need to be informed of decoration if the general colours do not change too much?
I fully intend to keep the X8 for fun, and have a Suzuki 650 Burgman for serious work, so the little one
will cause no problems about selling at a later date. For your information, the X8 feels like riding a
bumblebee, with its 125 engine, mirrors like antennae and great agility, so you can imagine my
thoughts for painting!
I hope this would be of interest with other readers who wish to experiment.
Thank you for a smashing magazine
David Garrad
The preparation of the panels providing they
aren’t damaged is relatively simple.
Just flatten them off with a fine grade ‘wet and dry’ before applying your new
schemes. If the outer layer of the original
paint isn’t disturbed, then any paint will
work well. However, if you have to go
down below the outer coats, you will
need to seal the lower layers before
applying new coats. Airbrushing is the
quickest way to get great results,
although the traditional brush methods
can do a great job too – albeit more
time consuming – but without the need
for so much masking out between coats.
Transfers can be another option, but the thickness of these means much
work has to be done to get a good finish at the end. As for finishing the job off, just blast away with
clear lacquer, flattening off between coats for the perfect shiny finish. There should be no need to
tell DVLA providing the bike is still the original colour, although if you value your work it may be
prudent to tell your insurance company in case of any future damage.
Under pressure
My Peugeot Speedfight 50 has started to handle quite weirdly. It’s OK in a straight line, but as soon as any angle of lean is applied, the front end goes haywire. If I then try to brake, it feels as if the wheel is loose, although my dad has had a look and says it is OK and nothing is loose. I don’t know the correct pressure for either tyre; I had been pumping them up to the same as my dad’s bike, which has 28psi in the front and 32 in the rear, so that may be a starting point, but failing that, any ideas that I can try?
Andy Middleton
Doncaster,
South Yorks
Providing there is no side-to-side play when pulling on the wheel, then the bearings and suspension can be judged as being in good condition. The tyre tread can be a cause of this upset however, especially if it has been run either under or over pressure, as the deformity this creates on the tyre does make it wear unevenly. The pressures you quote are far too high and should be a good deal lower – Peugeot quote 18 and 23psi for the front and rear respectively. If the tyre has been run with these higher pressures for very long, it may well be that the carcass has become damaged and that is the main reason behind your strange feeling front end. There may be no choice but to replace the tyres and start again. Seek professional help and do not take any chances in this area of your machine’s safety.
The future is bright
On trying to change the headlight bulb for a brighter one on my Piaggio Fly 125, I had a problem as the manual says that the scooter is fitted with an off-the-shelf H4 bulb, but I took the headlight unit apart to only find something very different – an S2 fitting giving out a much lower output than a H4 at 55/65W. Have they fitted the wrong unit in?
Michael Odams-Baker
Cardiff
The specification of machines can change without notice (and often does), especially with European-built scoots. The manual will have been printed long since, although finding an S2 bulb (or Bosch as it’s more commonly known) in a Piaggio is hardly surprising. The bad news is that there’s a limited availability of high wattage S2 bulbs, although a few bike suppliers do list a 35W, halogen version, which may well improve things.
Majestic pricing
I have a Yamaha YP400 with just 1600 miles on the clock. The costs for the first major service are £118.80 plus parts costing £28.41, totalling £172.98 (inc VAT). Is this typical for scoots as it sounds on the pricey side? Are bikes cheaper to service? If you have a dealer stamped service book, does this make a difference at trade in?
Jim Campbell
Musselburgh, Edinburgh
Expect the bill to be far higher for a conventional motorcycle as the engines are more complex and harder to get to. It is a good idea to keep the bike maintained by a Yamaha dealer as they have the expertise and genuine parts to hand while also keeping you within the confines of the manufacturer’s warranty. If anything goes wrong they will have to sort it for you, whereas if an unauthorised dealer has been in there, it does make things difficult should a warranty repair be necessary. When it comes time for a trade in once again a bit of history goes a long way to keeping the values higher, so it does make sense to stick with the main dealer and get that book stamped accordingly.
LX problems
My 2006 Vespa LX125 has
once before had a problem where it would not pull away
properly. I was told it was a problem with the drive belt
being worn. It was replaced under warranty and it seemed
to cure the problem for a while, but it has now reappeared.
Do you have any suggestions? I'm also having a problem
similar to the X9 owners (ie my scoot not starting from
cold and it also doesn't hold revs for the first 3km or so).
It went in for a service last week and the spark plug was
replaced, but within a few days the problem has come
back. Again any suggestions would be very welcome.
Graham Doyle
Southampton
If the belt is
wearing this often it
could well be time for a good clean-out in the pulley area
and fit replacement rollers too. If the rollers are worn
with flats on them they do tend to stick, which in turn
creates excessive wear in the belt and also the pulling
away problems you describe. As for the cold start issue,
try a dose of Silkolene Pro FST. This was developed in
conjunction with Kawasaki to help cure their massive carburettor icing problems of the early 90s and it really does work in scooters too.
Oily warning
Hi, great mag, keep it up and the new look is good. I have a standard low mileage Gilera DNA 125. I've had it for nine months and it has never let me down. But recently I noticed the oil light quickly flashes on and straight off when cornering or braking hard(ish). A shop checked it and there is plenty of oil in it and said it’s probably a faulty connection, but I'm scared of seizing it. Should I be worried? Also, I noticed that sometimes a squealing/grinding sound comes from where the drive belt is when I start it from cold. Any ideas what it could be?
Steven Howley
Scunthorpe
The oil sensor does slop around a fair bit often giving a spurious signal when the light comes on. There is no way around this, apart from using thicker oil to stop it moving so easily. As for the noise in the transmission, people often forget the belt and rollers are service items and as such do need regular cleaning and replacement too. Get in there and have a good clean up to remove any dust and other dirt that builds up over time. Check the belt and rollers for wear and once everything is as it should be, see if the noise goes away.
Another awkward burger
We have recently purchased a Burgman 125 scooter, but as my husband has only just passed his CBT, we have only used it once or twice up and down his parent’s driveway. It has been stood in the garage at their house for about two weeks without being started. Now that we have come to move it, it will not start. We have charged the battery and that is fine and the engine does start, but just will not hold enough revs to keep in going and the engine cuts out. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
Joanne Warrilow
St Georges, Telford
The most likely cause of this fault is water, or even stale petrol, in the carburettor. The float bowl will need draining to clear the fuel system of the contaminants and a drain screw is provided on the bottom of the carb, exactly for this function. However, if you don’t feel competent to do this, then any repair shop should do it for you for a small cost.
ET flash home
I am having a few electrical problems with my Vespa ET2 and need some help. First of all I can’t find a flasher relay anywhere on the bike. On other bikes I have owned, it has been easy to locate and could be heard clicking in time with the lights flashing, but I am frustrated in my hunt for it on this bike. Also, can you tell me how to test the auto choke; I can remove it from the carb without any problems, but so far I can’t see how it works.
Harry Coombs
Rotherham, Sth Yorks
The flasher relay on this model is part of the regulator and rectifier unit and as such is solid state and totally silent. If this isn’t working, you can replace it with a conventional relay by tapping into a common live feed, (any white wire should be live with the ignition on) and then let the relay supply the blue and black wire that goes into the handlebar switch. As for the choke, this is a little more complex; warm the engine up fully and then let it cool for around 10 minutes. Then place a multi meter, set to measure resistance, across the two feed wires for the choke unit. The reading should be between 30 and 40 ohms - if not the only thing you can do is replace the unit with a new one.
Open the taps and count to ten
I've had my Piaggio NRG about four months now and everything has been fine. I’ve done about 3000km in that time and recently started having a problem. It seems that as soon as I hit 6000rpm the engine starts to splutter and lose power.It seems fine again after about 10 seconds,but it can be a hassle, especially if I’m just going onto a dual carriageway. Do you have any ideas as to what could be wrong with it?
Lee Martin Leeds
The problem you describe could be a number of things,but start with the easiest, cheapest things to try and establish what is causing it while not laying out too much for parts etc.Try fitting a new spark plug as these do wear and cause misfires.Failing that,the next port of call would be the fuel supply,particularly the jets and float height within the carburettor itself. Once again, the parts inside a carb do wear,get blocked or even wander out of adjustment.
Technical lingo
Often in Twist & Go you describe a scooter
frame as an ‘underbone’ and
brake calipers as ‘floating’. Please tell
me what these terms are as I have never heard these
phrases anywhere else. I am studying mechanics at college
and my tutor is at a loss too, so I would love to be
able to inform him what they mean.
Tom Hartley
Clitheroe
Lancs
The term ‘underbone’ is used when describing
a step-through scooter that has its frame pass under
where the rider’s feet go making the spine of
the frame near to the ground, rather than pass under
the tank as on a normal machine. As for ‘floating
brakes’, this term is used to describe a caliper
that has its pistons on one side only. This requires
the caliper body to slide across and pull the opposing
pad onto the disc area rather than having a piston
on each side and squeezing the disc equally on both
sides, hence the term ‘floating’.
No charge
I bought a 1997 Peugeot Speedfight 100 scooter a while back for my son to get to college on. He wasn't very keen on riding it, as he had problems starting it. We have replaced the battery twice, but although we can start it up, the battery doesn't appear to charge up when it is being ridden. I want to get it repaired so that I can sell it. Has anybody any idea how much it would cost to resolve this problem and whether we would be throwing our money down the drain?
Melanie Berry
Heskin, Chorley
A 1997 Speedfight 100 in decent condition has a book price of around £600 so you will have to decide whether it is worth the expense to get it sorted. I can’t imagine the parts will add up to a great deal, even if a new regulator unit is required, so it may well be worthwhile getting a second opinion. It might just be a loose connection somewhere and the total cost could be very small indeed.
Off road quad – literally
I have just acquired a 100cc quad that looks to be around three years old. The trouble is it doesn’t work and is in need of some small parts to get it going, but no one local to me is willing to get involved. I didn’t pay a lot for it and once it is running again, it will be a real bargain. But who do I turn to? I was led to believe it is an Apache quad, but there are no decals, etc, on the bodywork.
Lesley Richards
Corby, Northants
Your local repair shops and dealers must be in a very privileged position of having too much work on for them not to be showing an interest in your plight. Surely, by helping out, they will be gaining a customer who will, in turn, need all of the usual consumables on a regular basis.
Either way, it is their loss, try giving Apache a shout on 01299 253771 as they are helpful people who will have the parts if it is one of their machines (or a damn good idea what or who will be able to help if it isn’t).
Dead wasp
On my Vespa ET2 (50cc) I have a problem where the
engine goes dead after 10 minutes or so of riding.
The machine can idle forever, but when riding the engine
dies suddenly. All the electrics still work when it
dies and the clutch stays engaged as the bike stops
abruptly. It feels as though the fuel is suddenly being
cut off. I have checked fuel tap and diaphragm; I have
taken out and stripped/cleaned all the carb components.
I eventually got hold of a van and took it to a mechanic
who said it had no compression and would be minimum £300
to fix. I have since changed the complete top end,
but still no luck – although it now idles beautifully.
I haven’t measured compression (no tool). Any
ideas could it be the choke or even carb icing? Please
help.
Matt Lincoln, Copthorne
This sounds like a really tough one to
get a grip on. With the stopping being so abrupt,
it is difficult to imagine it is the fuel side
of things that is the culprit. You need to get
a mechanic to ride it and hopefully the problem
will arise during the test. If it was me, I would
connect a meter up to the ignition side of things
and tape this to the handlebars so I could see
exactly what was happening during the ride when
the engine stops. If it isn’t electrical
then the likely culprit is the fuel cap. This needs
to breathe or else the fuel can’t come out of
the tank. Please do let us know how you get on.
PGO new engine design
I have heard that PGO are redefining the two-stroke
engine and making it more environmentally friendly.
Is this so and if so, how are they going to do it
and will we get them over here?
It would be a shame if two-strokes die off and get
taken over by those slow four-strokes.
Anthony West, Spondon, Derby
You are partially correct in your question. Yes PGO
are involved in a revolutionary two-stroke engine that
should make them commercially viable for use in Europe
and anywhere else that has strict emission regs - but
the actual idea is a British one. The design uses a
rotating disc to control the inlet and exhaust process,
so preventing any of the wrong gases and fluids from
leaving the engine, like a conventional two-stroke
engine does. We are planning to cover this interesting
technical development fully in a future issue, so keep
an eye out.
The Hull flasher
I was wondering if you could help me and my poor
scooter get through, what has been, a very bad winter.
Most things on my scoot a (Piaggio NRG Extreme) are
beginning to fail and I'm slowly working my way through
the repairs, but one problem confuses me to the point
of screaming.
When the bike is running and I click the indicator
switch in either direction, the indicators refuse to...
well... indicate!
As well as this little hiccup, the rev meter spasms
and the battery level will drop to zero; sometimes
the headlights will dim or even blink on and off. Obviously
this could all be solved by not indicating, but I'm
pretty sure that it is an offence punishable by death,
so I do not really like that idea! It would seem I
have an electrical gremlin, and ‘Gremlins’ made
me cry as a kid so I really need your help!
Paul Lundgren, Hedon, Hull
There are a few things you need to establish
before killing off your gremlin. First of all is
the condition of your battery. Is it holding a full
charge and capable of running the indicators etc?
Secondly, do you have the correct wattage bulbs fitted
in the indicators themselves? They should be 10 watts
each. After establishing those factors, try disconnecting
the indicators one at a time or checking them to
see if one is shorting to earth etc. The wires to
look out for are a pink wire for the left indicator
and a blue/white one for the right. You could even
try supplying 12 volts directly from the battery
to each indicator wire to ensure they are working
correctly. If all of these are working correctly
then the most likely cause of your gremlin is the
flasher relay.
More electrickery
I’ve owned a 650 Burgman from new and generally
it has been very good. Of late however it has developed
an annoying problem, which so far both my friendly
dealer and I have failed to diagnose.
My big scoot has an intermittent spark. I’ve
changed the plugs and have checked the plug caps in
case they are leaking to earth, but so far I’m
lost. Sometimes it starts and runs fine and other times
it starts and misfires before stopping and I have no
spark. If I leave it then the spark returns and I can
start the scoot and sometimes ride off.
John Lewis,
Watford
Hot favourite to be the culprit would be the side-stand
switch as these do cause problems particularly on high
mileage machines. Try replacing this switch or bypassing
it temporarily to see if this helps the problem. Failing
that the ignition coils are actually part of the plug
caps and as such can be easily tested. With a simple
multi-meter check the readings across the input (primary)
and output (secondary) stages. The resistance should
be 08-2.5 ohm for the primary and 8-18K ohm secondary,
measured with one of the meter probes touching the
plug connector and the other connected to the earth
side of the input stage. You can also test the peak
voltage going into the coil from the ECU unit which
should be 80 volts although great care should be taken
during this test and it is probably best left for a
dealer to perform. A battery in a poor condition can
also cause problems with the AN650 ignition so get
your dealer to check that out too.
Slowfight
I recently bought a Peugeot Speedfight 50cc with
7000 miles showing on the speedo. I took it to get
de-restricted, but the garage showed me it had already
been done. I then decided to have a go at the exhaust,
but this has already been crimped. The thing that worried
me most is that it only does about 35mph. Could you
please help me on what it could be?
Nigel Kelly, Latchford, Cheshire
Don’t forget there is also a washer in the variator
that limits performance. But these are often the very
first thing that gets removed and is unlikely to be
present in your machine. Although 7000 miles isn’t
excessive, it could well be the case that your exhaust
has become blocked, as this will slow the bike down
considerably. It could well prove worthwhile visiting
a specialist scooter dealer, if you haven’t done
so already, as they will know instantly what the problem
is with your machine and help you out with the minimum
of cost and wasted time.
Idle Honda
My 2002 Honda X8R-X has started to behave badly.
The scoot starts and idles fine from cold, but after
a short riding time, it will stop idling and is difficult
to start until it cools down.
John Salmon, Shipston on Stour
This is possibly a problem with the automatic
choke, which could well have become stuck in the
fully open position. The result of this would be
a rich mixture ideal for starting the cold engine
but of no use to a fully warm power plant which would
then stall and not start until cold again. Remove
the auto choke unit and see where the needle and
plunger are. If it is fully up against the spring
this is normal so run the engine for a few minutes
or just leave the ignition on while the choke element
warms up and the plunger should extend. If it doesn’t then this is your
problem and a new unit will be needed. If this is working
fine then it will be something else that is making
the engine rich – an incorrectly set airscrew,
float-level or even a main jet that has dropped out
for instance.
Oil be seeing you
I was beginning a long journey home and all of a sudden
the oil warning light came on for my scoot. Fearing
that the two-stroke oil would run out before I got
home (35 miles) I stopped to fill up. I usually have
a bottle under the seat, but this had leaked and run
completely out of the bottom of the helmet holder all
over the engine leaving me with none to refill the
tank. I called in at the next petrol station but it
only had basic oil and not the fully synthetic I usually
run my ped on.
The girl behind the counter also told me that they
were the only station open for some distance on my
route. I reluctantly bought the cheap stuff, put that
in the tank and made my way home. OK, there were no
problems, but what am I supposed to do now? Do I drain
the tank and refill with my usual stuff or what? I
am very worried.
Andy Barkins
Kirton Lindsey, nr Scunthorpe
• I would say at the absolute worst
take some of the cheap oil out of the tank and
refill with your top quality lubricant. Don’t
consider a total drain as you may get air into
the system and that could prove even worse than
the predicament you have now. There are many false
beliefs about two-stroke oils and some say that
cheap oils do not mix with the expensive stuff
and likewise with synthetic and mineral oils. I
have yet to see any evidence to substantiate this.
Besides, if there were products that didn’t
mix, but were likely to meet, then surely the bottle
should list them so they can be avoided?
Oooooh my stiff back
My MBK Ovetto 50 suffers from an over-stiff rear suspension:
it's like riding with an old-fashioned three-penny
bit for a rear wheel. Will this improve with mileage,
or is it possibly a seized rear shock or out-of-round
tyre? Is it possible to fit foldout rear pegs to the
frame under the footboards? My passenger doesn't feel
safe with toes tucked in on the small rear platforms?
Barrie Stockton, Burnley
• The suspension should move through
most of its length of travel simply by putting
your bodyweight fully on the rear end. It should
then spring back as you lift up. If it shows any
resistance then something is amiss.
Compare it to other scoots, not just an Ovetto. A new
shock should sort this out, although sometimes the
problem can be with the engine mounts. As for the footrests,
this would involve some pretty serious modification
work involving attaching a piece of metal running the
width of the footboards to fit pegs where currently
there aren’t any. This is just an idea but it
might prove easier to get a new pillion passenger.
Another forking problem
Is it possible to rebuild the front forks of my Piaggio
Skipper? If so, where can I get the parts?
Dean
Stanyer
Trent Vale, Stoke on Trent
• It is possible to rebuild most
Piaggio forks, although there may be problems due
to corroded bolts etc, which makes disassembly
very difficult. Once apart any Piaggio dealer will
be able to source the correct parts for you and
may even have them in stock. Make sure the bike
is firmly held off the ground before you begin
and try to get hold of a manual before beginning
so you can make sure you have the correct tools
etc. Haynes produce a book that covers your model
in great detail.
Heave ho Evo
You guessed it; my Piaggio X9 Evo 125 has the same
cold start problems as every other owner I have ever
met. I am getting bored and sick of this bike after
only six months. The dealer thinks it's dampness in
the spark plug, could this be possible? The bike is
sitting in my back yard at the moment as an ornamental
feature to my flowerbeds. It cuts out in traffic, fails
to start in the morning and I'm becoming very disappointed.
I wish I'd got a motorcycle instead.
Graham Reed, Roker, Sunderland
• Oh dear this doesn’t sound
good does it? Surely by now Piaggio should have
this one sorted. Dampness in or around the spark
plug can easily be remedied by simply changing
the spark plug, so try that first. In the likely
event that this doesn’t cure it, then take
it back to your dealer for him to fix. Under the
Sale of Goods Act your scooter must be able to
scoot, otherwise it is just, as you rightly say,
an ornament. Insist that they either fix or replace
the offending items and don’t be put off
or sent off less than satisfied.
Wriggly customer
I have been thinking of derestricting my Peugeot
Ludix Snake but I don’t know much about it. I went
to the bike shop I got my ped, but he didn’t
give me much information. He just said that it would
be fine, but I am not so sure. My dad is a keen biker
and doesn’t think I should do it as my bike runs
lovely as it is. I wondered if you could help me with
some reasons for and against getting it derestricted
and if there are any dangers in doing it.
Ashley Hawins, Mannintree Essex
• Providing you use parts intended
for your machine and strictly adhere to the fitting
and setup guides there is no reason why the bike
cannot be liberated of a few horses and stay reliable.
Please bear in mind any insurance and licence implications
however. Once you are sure what you want to do check
out http://malossiuk.com/ and do a search for the Ludix
in the parts section. There you will find all you need
to make the Snake wriggle a little more.
Piaggio a go go
I have a 2004 Piaggio X9 Evo 500. I am thinking of
changing the standard exhaust to a performance exhaust.
I would like to know whether or not it would increase
the performance of the bike? I was looking at the GPR
and Giannelli exhausts. Is there any difference between
the two, apart from the price?
John Pardo, X9 Owners’ Club
• The Evolution has a beautiful stainless system as standard, which is
already a freer flowing item when compared to the original SL version. An after-market
exhaust may release a little more power, although you lose the ecological benefits
of the catalytic converter (which the standard pipe has fitted). The cost,
however, is fairly high for the relatively small amount of power gain. A better
bet may be to fit a Malossi or Polini variator, which retunes the transmission
to 'sport mode' and offers a noticeable change in acceleration from a standing
start all the way up to around 70mph. The top speed of the machine exceeds
100mph anyway, and the top speed is governed by a rev limiter, which the Evo
will hit at an indicated 110mph or thereabouts. You will see no increase in
top speed by using either the pipe or variator. The pipe retails at around £200-250,
while the variator is around £140-160. Fitting should be around 30 minutes
either way!
Exhausting problem
I read with interest your article last month on the
50cc scooter exhaust, and was amazed at the speed increase
gained. I currently have a 2001 100cc Speedfight 2,
and the exhaust is starting to blow. What exhaust would
you recommend, and what sort of speed could I realistically
expect? Also, would I need any other work done as well
and what price would I expect to pay? I have £200
spare to spend on it.
Stan the Man
Wymondham
• Any of the after-market exhausts will yield great returns in performance,
but be prepared to modify the gearing by around 20 per cent to suit the altered
power curve and let the engine benefit from any work. Around £100 will
get you a Giannelli exhaust, so some change will be left over for transmission
parts. Other pipes can be more costly, so bear in mind the need to change the
transmission and do not leave yourself short.
A big bag of chips please
I've recently bought a hand made Leo Vinci ZX power
pipe for my Suzuki AY50W Katana. Everything about it
is fine, apart from my top speed (45-50mph). My dealer
says that this is because of a chip restricting the
revs. I've looked everywhere and not even my dealer
knows anyone who supplies such a chip.
Please help as all my friends are laughing at me.
Ben White
Bishop Sutton, Bristol
• There is a mismatch with the standard, very low, gearing
and the Leo Vinci pipes that see the engine rev away to 12,000rpm while the
pipe is producing its maximum power much lower than that. A dyno run may well
show this and enable the fitting of some different weight rollers and a gear-up
kit to stop the engine shooting up into the high rev band. This needs sorting,
sooner rather than later, as the over revving is not good for crankshaft and
engine bearing life. The CDI box (the chip your dealer refers to) is also a
source of restriction and a fully unrestricted after-market item is required
to fully liberate the AP's power.
Now for the boring bit, please make sure you are fully entitled to ride such
a machine before carrying out the work.
It's a right burger
I could really use your help with a long running problem
I am having with my Suzuki Burgman AN400. I purchased
it from a main dealer in July 2003 and almost immediately
had problems with it running in cold weather. It starts
fine, but after about a minute, will cut out when not
being throttled and does not stop cutting out until
the bike has been run for at least 10 miles.
The bike has been back to the dealer over 10 times
since I bought it. Suzuki even sent one of their guys
from Head Office to make some modifications, but still
the problem continues. The warranty runs out in January
and Suzuki seem to be totally unable to rectify the
problem.
I've looked on the internet and I do not appear to
be alone with this problem. Have you heard of any similar
problems with the Burgmans and do you have any suggestions
of what can be done? Best regards.
Dave Jones (email)
• We at T&G would try a can of Silkolene Pro FST petrol
additive as a potential cure for this problem, as it certainly sounds like
carburettor icing to us. Failing that, it may well be a faulty choke solenoid
that is not operating smoothly. Either way surely the dealer can sort it by
replacing the carburettor or such like.
Exhausted the supply
I need some help. I bought an Aprilia area 51 scooter;
it is a Y registered scooter. Recently my exhaust was
found to have rotted inside and is now wrecked. I tried
to find a new exhaust to fit, but when I tried all
the companies who claimed to make an exhaust for my
scooter, they said they stopped making that particular
exhaust because the scooter is rare and no one has
them. I have tried Giannelli and Leo Vinci and all
the others I can think of. The only exhaust I have
found that will fit is an Aprilia one, but it is £290!
Are there any exhaust companies you know that make
them for this particular bike.
Many thanks
David Lewis
• Giannelli used to produce a couple of exhausts that were
listed as fitting the Area 51. Unfortunately these ceased production last year
and all remaining stocks have, as far as we can ascertain, been sold. Kundo,
TNT and Scorpion have never listed this model, but as the Area 51 uses a horizontal
Minarelli motor, it should be possible to adapt one from a different model
that uses the same motor. We are currently checking out which models may fit
so keep a look out in T&G soon
What's that Skippy?
I am having trouble with my Honda X8R-X. When I ride
along at any speed it sometimes kangaroos a little
bit, then loses speed then all of a sudden, it picks
up speed again. It does it on and off all the time
while riding along.
I would like to see if you know what the reason for
this is, because I would be able to do the work that
is needed. I wanted to know what was wrong so I could
sort the problem.
Thanks,
Bryan Ellis
• This could be something as simple
as a duff spark plug or plug cap. Plugs sometimes
develop a whisker that sits across the electrode,
occasionally shorting the plug and causing such
'kangarooing'. These two items are easily changed
as part of a regular service or maintenance. Also
check the air-filter for cleanliness and float
bowl for any contaminants like water.
Dealer has wrong vibe
I have a 2000 W reg Suzuki AN400X. For a while now
it has had a pulsating hum or vibration from the engine
and transmission area above 50 mph. The local Suzuki
dealer changed the drive belt, which was torn. Since
then I have had return it in to the dealer with the
same problem. This time the dealer said the belt had
torn because it was an inferior pattern and credited
me towards a more expensive Suzuki original. Unfortunately
the vibration has not gone away. I have spoken to Suzuki
Customer Services, who would not give any advice and
referred me back to the dealer. I don't know what the
problem is, but neither does the dealer. So where do
I go from here? Do you have any advice?
Barry Ring.
• A mechanic who can't find an evident
problem has to be brought into question. If it's
vibrating, surely a Suzuki dealer can establish
why. I reckon you should change dealers. There
must be a bearing or such-like that is causing
this problem and any decent mechanic will soon
find it. When you do, take the damaged parts back
to the original dealer who couldn't find the problem
and show them to him.
Shocking experience
Dear grey-haired scooter fixer-upper-type person.
Since you are all-knowing and omnipotent in the world
of scooter-type quandaries, I was wondering if you
could advise me on my current scoot question.
After 750 miles one of the rear shockers on my new
DNA 180 literally exploded. It was replaced quickly
under warranty by my dealer (thanks to Faulkners, Oxford),
but now I don't entirely 'trust' the machine.
I put 2000 miles on my old (and rather kick-ass) SR
125 and didn't touch its single rear shocker, and had
no problems at all. Yet this twin-shock machine fails
in no time.
I'm now going to change the rear shockers to something
more impressive. Any ideas?
I've spotted some nice ones in last month's issue,
on Rich Haywood's Dragster, and on the slightly modified
MBK Rocket 748 (Fournales). Any idea where I can get
them?
Many thanks
Neil 'The Welsh Scooter-Riding Prison Officer', Kidlington, Oxon
• We spoke to dealer John Thompson
at Thompsons Scooters in St Albans and it would
seem that an exploding shock is a very unusual
occurrence. Certainly we at T+G have never come
across one before. You don't say how long ago you
purchased your DNA, but Gilera stopped making the
180 version over a year ago, so it is possible
that you have purchased a machine that has stood
in a showroom window in the strong sunlight for
quite a while and this may have caused the problem,
but we can't be sure.
We feel you might struggle to find a suitable alternative
shock for this particular model although, at the recent
Munich show, Sebac stated they were looking into the
possibility of producing one.
Whatever happens, don't give up on your DNA just because
of one bad experience.
Scoot, too hot for comfort ?
I have recently bought a second-hand Peugeot Speedfight
50 that is a lot faster (55mph actually) than the 30mph
it is supposed to do. Whilst I am very happy with this,
am I breaking the law doing such speeds as I am only
just 16 – what could be the result if I get caught?
Danny
Walthamstow
• By definition a moped is a vehicle
restricted to 30mph by design and is the only type
of vehicle you are legally entitled to ride at
16. By de-restricting the bike, it is no longer
a moped and there could be some serious consequences
should you be found riding it, such as no insurance
cover and certainly no licence entitlement.
Riding with no insurance is a serious offence and as
such will carry a heavy points and fine penalty. Also,
should you for instance, cause an incident where people
are injured or property is damaged, the onus would
be upon you to repay any losses that your policy would
normally take up. So don't go crashing into jumbo jets
loaded with nuclear waste parked in the centre of London,
as a part time job at MacDonald's may well not be enough
to get you out of trouble!
Whatever you decide to do is up to you and it must
be difficult making a decision when just about every
scoot out there is unrestricted, hence faster than
30mph. We cannot endorse such behaviour, as it is illegal
in the UK – even if we do happen to think that
faster bikes are safer in the long run and without
doubt more fun.
To BHP or not to BHP, what was the question?
I am the owner of the GT125 Vespa and thinking about
upgrading the speed of the engine, and there’s
so much advice out there. Is it true, like PM powerpipe?
They say two more horses – and the Malossi 210.
Is there anything else – like do you have to
jet up the carb?
I know I ask a lot, but if the truth is out there I
want a good and fast scooter, before I pay out the
money on all go fast goodies. Also I notice two different
pipes at PM, one with an E on it, are there anymore
out there, road legal.
Please seek out the truth.
Gary Shortlands
• The advice offered by the many
tuners and parts retailers is generally correct
providing the instructions are followed to the
letter. Any mods will need an up jetting usually
to compensate for high revs and fuel flow and this
alone can be fraught with danger and expense. In
most cases someone will have been there before
you so do ask around who has done what with which
parts and why.
Companies like PM and Malossi have a wealth of experience
in this field and are all too willing to offer help
and assistance.
Dash that blasted rain
I am thinking about buying a 2004 Evolution 125 X9
and have found that some of the Evos have problems
with their computer dashboards due to water getting
in them when it rains. Do you know if Piaggio has cured
this problem and if not how can I cure the problem
myself. Are there any other design faults that you
may know about with this scooter?
Karen Williams
• We approached one of the country’s
leading Piaggio dealers Thompsons (www.piaggio-center.co.uk)
who have two very busy shops one in St Albans and
the other in Luton they said the following:
“This is a problem that occurs on some X9s, and is a well known foible.
The water ingresses via the rubber buttons, and is easily and permanently cured
by removing the LCD display, removing the rubber buttons and sealing them with
clear silicone sealant.
It takes 20 minutes to carry this out before the bike
is used, and should be done by a caring dealer. We
now seal all X9 dashes, and the problem has all but
gone away. You can do this yourself with an Allen key,
Phillips screwdriver and tube of sealant. This part
is, however, covered by the warranty (two years’ standard, £30
for the third year) and does not afflict every machine
by any means. Prevention is better than cure however!”
Constant acceleration
Dear Sir,
Can you please give me some advice on my bike problem.
I own an Aprilia SR50 Stealth L/C type MZ variant version
03, 1997 on P registration plate. This bike was de-restricted
by the shop from new. I have owned the bike from new,
ex-shop demo, and it has been fitted with standard
Aprilia parts from new and will run and accelerate
up to 50mph with no problem. I have now fitted a non
standard exhaust, a Doppler part number 265275, and
when I ride the bike, it will not accelerate past about
30mph and seems to be restricted. But if you ride down
a hill, the bike will suddenly accelerate very fast
up to about 55-60mph. Could you please advise me what
I have to do to alleviate this problem and achieve
constant acceleration up to 55-60mph. Do I need to
fit special rollers, and if so could you please advise
where I could purchase the necessary rollers?
Regards
Graham Burston
• Perhaps there may be a fault with
either the pipe or the jetting it may require as
this has only occurred since fitting it; you may
need to seek pro help with this one as jetting
can be both a difficult and expensive problem to
get sorted. If that doesn't help, then it may well
be the power has shifted out of the range of the
current variator and now the engine is bogging
down instead of being able to pull through the
whole in the rev range, which of course is then
helped by the hill, after all gravity is THE best
performance enhancement of all time.
DNA Filters
Can you tell if or what K&N filters you can get
for a 70cc DNA? I have tried two K&Ns before, but
they just kept slowing down when I full throttled it.
There was too much air going in. I was thinking of
getting the 19mm Malossi carb kit that comes with a
K&N.
Ben Russell
• Certainly there are some cheap
pattern parts available and quality can be an issue,
so always try and buy from reputable sources and
ask all of the right questions before handing over
the lolly. The open K&N type of filter is quite
a maintenance heavy item and there are many things
that can cause the symptoms you describe, the element
could be too dry or even too wet so follow any
instructions supplied with it to the letter. The
problem could also be jetting as the idea behind
the filter is to allow more air into the engine
and that will normally require more fuel to suit.
Same cold start problems
I read in your magazine last month a letter about
the cold start problems on the X9 125 Evolution. Mine
suffers from exactly the same problems.
On a recent ride to my parents some 26km away, the
ride home was appalling. The bike started OK, but was
under-powered all the way home. The bike cut out at
traffic lights three times and was a misery to restart.
I also noticed that the temperature gauge went to 3¼4
rather than the 1¼2 where it normally sits.
All the way home the bike had no power and no pull.
I am becoming really frustrated with the bike of late.
This 125 evolution is three weeks old. I will be calling
in at the dealer to see what their mechanics have to
say...
I would really like you to publish this letter as an
update to the last letter published and to see if there
are any others out there suffering with this problem.
I think an article looms here... (how else can we mere
mortals get anything done about this problem?)
Regards – Paul
• You and all the X9 owners experiencing
this have our complete sympathy. It would appear
that Piaggio have been bombarded with similar complaints
and as yet have no answers that result in a cure.
To me it still sounds like carb icing and the increase
in engine temperature will have been caused by
the mixture leaning out as the jets etc, block
with the ice. I would love to hear if anyone has
actually tried the various additives to remedy
this complaint. Having personally spoken to a few
X9 owners it would appear the dealers, and indeed
the importers, are dong precious little to cure
this and reports of adjustments made to carbs and
valve clearances have yielded no positive results
to date.
The only item in the carb that can be the culprit is
the auto choke, which in turn would actually aid cold
starting and running, and tight valve clearances would
eventually stop the bike completely, never to run again
until these were attended to. As you can imagine I
am not too impressed with these two theories.
Should the symptoms present themselves again, it would
be best to stop the journey straight away, switch off
and let the heat from the engine work its way back
up into the carb, this can be helped by holding the
throttle open. Any ice present in the inlet tract will
not melt while the engine is running as it is caused
by the extreme pressure drop, created by the very act
of carburation.
After a short while, try starting the engine and see
if it responds better to the twistgrip's commands.
If the ice has been effectively removed it should not
occur again during that journey. If this is a carb
ice issue, then the only cure is going to be the replacement
of every carb out there for one with some kind of heating
incorporated, just like the majority of Japanese manufacturers
had to do when faced with this same problem in the
80s. Incidentally a lot of far eastern machines have
ducts etc directing hot air from the cylinder area
onto the carb body exactly for this reason.